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What If Copyleft Was Written Into Law? http://ur1.ca/7wxpp broken out of the email.
about a year ago from web- drew Roberts and rozzin's identicat ghost like this.
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which is worse, people who have no clue about copyright law or people who think they do and dont?
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I think its people who don't have any clue about copyright.
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@laurelrusswurm and legislators who acknowledge they don't know anything about technology but write laws about it are even worse than that.
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@laurelrusswurm have become? They have been linked for a long time
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@douglasawh Perhaps a long time in terms of computer history, but a short time in terms of !Copyright law, monopolies dating back to 1706
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Tru dat.
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@laurelrusswurm Statute of Anne was 1710 if you are referring to that. Monopoly goes back to 1557. I'd argue without th…
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@douglasawh I consider the previous stationers monopolies more as precursors
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@douglasawh My understanding is that The Statute of Anne was in 1709 ... http://the1709blog.blogspot.com/
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@douglasawh !copyright law has become ridiculously more complicated just in the last half century, as !copyright terms outlive creators...
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@douglasawh ... and everybody and their brother fight for a piece of it ... or IP (seems !copyright collectives are driving it into madness)
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@douglasawh When the printing press was new, the monopoly "protected" content publishers from each other, not from the audience #newgame
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@laurelrusswurm I believe it passed in 1709 but went into affect in 1710. There were also shenanigans with changing the…
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@laurelrusswurm the only problem with saying copyright dies with someone are posthumous works. Life or 10 years or some…
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@laurelrusswurm part of that is because publishing is so easy now. I think the history of LPs, VCR and casette tapes an…
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@douglasawh ah, but today, !copyright will most likely outlast the creator's grandchildren.
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@douglasawh In fact most !copyrights will outlast any cultural memory of most creators or their works.
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and perpetual copyright(as stallman is afraid of,) is quite possible. Just extend right before copyright runs out on mi…
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@douglasawh Yes, publishing is so easy now...that's what we used to call progress, but it jeopardizes the status quo that encriches few...
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@douglasawh ... so the few are fighting really hard to keep their control of it. Sad thing is that it has been strangling culture so long.
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@laurelrusswurm yeah the current infinity minus 1 system is stupid beyond belief. I dont know enough about countries wi…
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@douglasawh The few don't want the masses to share culture, unless they get a piece of it. !copyright
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@douglasawh Canada has "fair dealing" which is not nearly as liberal as your fair use. Parody isn't allowed, f'rinstance.
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@laurelrusswurm it does a pretty poor job at strangling. What it does though is piss people like Nina Paley off such th…
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@laurelrusswurm just imagine a world withot the Simpsons, the Daily Show or Colbert report. Now that would be terrible.
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@laurelrusswurm do you have Hulu? If so, might be worth showing some episodes to an MP. :)
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@douglasawh the !copyright law that !Canada is poised to pass makes every other issue subservient to #DRM, (and illegal to circumvent)
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@douglasawh Perhaps this is why so many Canadians moved south of the 49th to practice their humour
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@laurelrusswurm we only practice humor here :) -- changing subjects slightly, when is that copyright bill scheduled for…
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@douglasawh Bill !C11 is only the latest incarnation of !copyright law opposed by Canadians but !Canada will pass to appease US !CDNpoli
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quite odd to me that "we" try to get other countries to pass laws we "won't" pass
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@douglasawh I'm not sure, I believe it is in first reading. The person that you *should* talk to is @russellmcormond.
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@douglasawh I doubt very much they have given up on passing the same/similar there. If everybody else has laws like that it is much easier.
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My understanding is SCOTUS has already had a DRM case. I don't think there's any going back on that one.
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@mairin Neither. An environment that *allows* people to get clueless or confused about copyright law is worst. Stuff is just too complex. =/
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@douglasawh !Canada's first incarnation of "copyright modernization" was an attempt to emulate the DMCA nearly a decade ago I think
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@douglasawh but up 'til now minority governments could not pass !copyright law with so much opposition; a majority government can. !CDNpoli
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ok, *not* SCOTUS - new exceptions are list toward the bottom: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/07/feds-ok-iphone-jailbreaking/
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@douglasawh I'm no expert on your law (or ours), I'm just a writer whose become very interested in !copyright over the past few years
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neither am I, so it works out!
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@douglasawh Since the US got the DMCA, orgs like @eff have been chipping away at the baddest bits. If they pass !C11 as is, it'll be worse
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@douglasawh funny how it doesn't stop me from talking about it and comparing &tc. :D
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Anyone wanting to know the status of the Canadian copyright bill can check out http://c11.ca
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@laurelrusswurm is correct to identify that worst part of #C11 comes from USA (largely Democrats) #Paracopyright #AccessControls
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I liked http://identi.ca/url/62040265 I think our community cares too much about copyright.
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Someday knowing the ins and outs of copyright will be like knowing the intricate rules of internal passports in Communist East Germany.
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@evan somewhere in there, there is a "Soviet Russia" joke
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“I downloaded but didn’t share” will be the new “I smoked, but didn’t inhale.”
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That was my first version and I decided to avoid it.
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There's probably another good parallel in colonialism. People who know Open [Source|Content] have internalized the copyright fallacy.
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both!
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do I take that statement to mean an abolitionist? (not meaning to draw a parallel to slavery, but I think it's the best word)
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Thanks, @russellmcormond ... you should talk to podcaster @douglasawh re: !C11 issues... @douglasawh meet @russellmcormond :)
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@douglasawh ⇒ @russellmcormond says "that worst part of !C11 comes from USA (largely Democrats)" #Paracopyright #AccessControls
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SOPA is Reps, Protect IP is Dems, OPEN is both -- I wouldn't consider the parties particularly separable in this regard.
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@evan While I hope change for the better will happen, it is not a given... marijuana was still illegal last time I looked
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@douglasawh I'm available to anyone for interviews/etc on Paracopyright (and Copyright) - My property rights focus at http://c11.ca/own #c11
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@douglasawh Our !C11 original incarnation was by #Liberal gov't; but is now being carried through by #Conservative © lobby wins #samesame
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@laurelrusswurm is it a legal requirement to vote in Canada? (slightly OT) /cc @evan
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@douglasawh © specifically wouldn't exist without ~mass repro, but censorship/monopoly for control/power/profit ancient, © merely instance.
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@mairin people who think they do and don't. worst is people who do know contemporary regulation, but buy into beneficent myths.
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@laurelrusswurm you get to ellect which group of criminals fleece you blind - modern day democracy in action
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@laurelrusswurm if one lot let their "we're for the voters" mask slip too often you can let the other lot have a go - sloppiness = voted out
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♻ @mlinksva: © specifically wouldn't exist without ~mass repro, but censorship/monopoly for control/power/profit ancient, © merely instance
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@thistleweb in !Canada we don't seem to do that (possibly because of our severely outdated electoral system) http://www.fairvote.ca/
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http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2012/01/26/internal-passports/ yet another Invidious Pejorative
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Maybe a better way to think of it is: a small number of us waste our time on the subject so others don't have to.
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I think the danger of copyright is this: with libre licenses our community has engineered an awesome hack of the IP system.
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...and like most awesome hacks, there's a temptation to preserve the broken system it routes around so that the hack remains awesome.
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Knowing the rules on return of runaway slaves was important for the Underground Railroad and is totally unimportant now.
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check: Consider what would happen if lawmakers... http://ur1.ca/7wdf0 or just abolish.
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Unfortunately I think that the set of people who work within the system is disjoint from those who try to change the system.
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To negotiate with the IP incumbents, you kinda have to pretend to buy into the whole system.
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@fontana ...and varied action needed, and not sure that "own computing" ethics adequate to support such.
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@fontana or at least "own computing" needs work, and criticism, to get there. pleased to see http://ur1.ca/7wogx
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Just realized I assumed I was replying to a reply in a different conversation from yesterday. :-\
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and critique is always at risk of homage
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