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@fontana, my usual comment on this "Free Software business makes millionaires but never billionaires". Horders get the piles of money.
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OTOH, I'm not surprised @gregdek loves @sabdfl, since #Eucalyptus is cripple-ware proprietary relicensing in #Shuttleworth's mindset.
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@gregdek says #CloudStack is only "Open Source *Now*" (meaning: "maybe not later"). That's what #Eucalyptus already is. Pot:Kettle:Black.
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@gregdek says #OpenStack is a problem because it doesn't support #AWS. Makes me wanna follow the money from #Amazon to #Eucalyptus.
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!SCALE: @gregdek's harps on protocol as "most important" issue. IMO, Protocol compatible obsession is last refuge for proprietary software.
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Bradley M. Kuhn
Southern California Linux Expo
, The GNU General Public License
, Greg DeKoenigsberg
!SCALE: @gregdek studied his boss' (Mikos) methods well:use #Eucalyptus' !GPLv3 -ness to attack permissive license. Sullies name of copyleft
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Bradley M. Kuhn
Southern California Linux Expo
, The GNU General Public License
, Greg DeKoenigsberg
!SCALE: IMO #OpenStack is broken as @gregdek says,but at least it's trying non-profit. #Eucalyptus == !GPLv3'd cripple ware. see ur1.ca/e0az
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Bradley M. Kuhn
Southern California Linux Expo
, The GNU General Public License
, Karsten Wade
, Greg DeKoenigsberg
!SCALE: @gregdek is trying to claim #Eucalyptus is !GPLv3 for normal copyleft reasons. If so, then why is ©AA mandatory?
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!SCALE: @gregdek seems sincere in dislike of #Eucalyptus ©AA & proprietary relicensing. But he insists that proprietary is needed for $$$.
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@fontana, perhaps I'm misinformed: I thought #OpenStack was starting a trade association. Am I wrong about that? http://ur1.ca/7lzho ?
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@quaid, #Eucalyptus doesn't have a #FLOSS business model. It has a proprietary business model that uses FLOSS to advance its aims. #Mikos
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!SCALE attendees claim I #troll'ed @gregdek w/ question re: #Eucalyptus ©AA & proprietary relicensing. Could someone explain why it's troll?
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@fontana Is RHs licencing model really *orthogonal*? Or do they get quality engineers because of the licencing model? Hence, non-orthoninal.
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@fontana with all due respect, that's 2 superfluous uses of 'model' in one dent, one with 'business' adj. -3 points total. !disturbing
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"Protocol compatible obsession is last refuge for proprietary software." - @bkuhn
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You use that hashtag like Kirk uses #khaaaaaaan .
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<wince> don't you think that "interwebs" thing is getting a little stale?
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Yes. Exactly one. Mid-2006.
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What are your thoughts on “intertubes” (as in, “a series of”)? ;p
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What about #CloudFoundry and #OpenShift? Nice thing about standard Open Source cloud platforms; so many to choose from.
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I think there might be an argument to be made that you can't have a scalable business w/out a proprietary aspect.
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I think you can probably answer that question pretty quickly yourself.
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http://ope.nu/p/40 <-- "The nine revenue streams for Open Source companies"
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I think software subscriptions can be scalable, but they're hard to sell without some proprietary special-sauce.
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@evan They say they're releasing it soon, but it's sure not there yet.
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@evan Which is a shame, as OpenShift Express looks a lot like Heroku, and Heroku is super-nifty-keen (albeit mostly proprietary)
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I was more concerned with listing out revenue sources I knew of than recommending one or the other. Some think Open Core is one and only.
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@evan, being a non-profit fellow, I don't get what it means for a "for-profit" to "scale". Isn't this just "horders can get piles of money"?
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Yes, I thought that was probably the case. ;)
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@evan, well, it's definitely not a big truck, but is it a series of tubes? I did send my staff an internet Wednesday, they just got it today
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Not quite. Mostly, it means that your revenue can be disproportionate to your costs - often by orders of magnitude.
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Compare a musician selling recording vs a musician selling tickets for live performances. First is scalable, second is not.
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@evan, can't some musicians make enough from touring < 12 months a year & have time to do new writing? How is that not scalable?
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Drugs, some patentable inventions.
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Businesses that trade in recordings are scalable -- publishing, music, film and TV, and proprietary software.
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The big problem is that they're risky, too. Typical mitigation is to invest in lots of products and hope 1 in 10 is a hit.
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@evan, I guess I don't get how "scalable" is defined & why a business must be "scalable", other than make more than you need. ur1.ca/0kyc3
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@bkuhn that is true, hackers, that is true?
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@bkuhn yeah, just beware of the paatroll. http://ur1.ca/724qy
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@bkuhn challenging assumptions that others rely on, often for their own benefit, is often regarded by them as trolling
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@bkuhn what's this “proprietary relicensed product”? compare with the nice BSDs, “proprietary relicensed” by Sun and Apple. good or evil?
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@bkuhn indeed, Red Hat's most well-known product can't be redistributed in FLOSS-compliant ways: it's BLOB-ridden :-(
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and we *need* that possibility in our economy because?
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Fame seems to be scalable on its own without any "product" whatsoever other than fame itself.
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@bkuhn you know what else hoarders do? dictate the terms of the industry to us. unless you're going to outlaw hoarding, that's our reality
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