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  1. Mike Linksvayer Mike Linksvayer Copyleft

    !Copyleft as a pro-software-freedom regulatory mechanism, of which more needed http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2012/01/31/copyleft-regulates/

    about 4 months ago from web at Oakland, California, United States
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    • drew Roberts drew Roberts Copyleft

      Mike, you have seen: http://ur1.ca/7wxpp right?

      about 4 months ago
    • drew Roberts drew Roberts Copyleft

      economic benefits of hiding source when you can't protect the binary because copyright no longer exists? (patents on s/w gone too.)

      about 4 months ago
    • drew Roberts drew Roberts Copyleft

      one avenue, government could require source for all software it fUnds or purchases. also for all dangerous industries it "regulates"?

      about 4 months ago
    • Mike Linksvayer Mike Linksvayer Copyleft , Alexandre Oliva , drew Roberts

      @zotz yes, I've seen; reminds me (in scope not details) of @lxoliva's http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/blogs/lxo/pub/manifesto-livre-express ...

      about 4 months ago
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    • Mike Linksvayer Mike Linksvayer Copyleft , drew Roberts

      @zotz ... both are radical overhauls of © which'd be huge improvements, but I'm mostly thinking orthogonal to © above.

      about 4 months ago
    • Mike Linksvayer Mike Linksvayer Copyleft , drew Roberts

      @zotz, yes those are two of the most obvious mechanisms.

      about 4 months ago
    • Mike Linksvayer Mike Linksvayer Copyleft , drew Roberts , Crosbie Fitch

      @zotz that's what @crosbie says; suspect some effect in that direction, but not nearly enough to make src requiring regulation uninteresting

      about 4 months ago
    • Mike Linksvayer Mike Linksvayer Copyleft , drew Roberts

      @zotz ... and © abolition can be thought of just another radical © overhaul. again I'm mostly thinking orthogonal to ©

      about 4 months ago
    • drew Roberts drew Roberts Copyleft

      I get that you are thinking orthogonal to ©. The various ways to require source for a subset of software are an orthogonal suggestion.

      about 4 months ago
    • drew Roberts drew Roberts Copyleft

      I just wonder what the economic benefits would be?

      about 4 months ago
    • Mike Linksvayer Mike Linksvayer Copyleft , drew Roberts

      @zotz for one, providing source isn't always cost-free; certainly not complete&corresponding source. egregious non-replicable hacks abound.

      about 4 months ago
    • Mike Linksvayer Mike Linksvayer Copyleft , drew Roberts

      @zotz the other obvious one is that having sole access to source is a competitive advantage or locks in customers in some cases.

      about 4 months ago
    • drew Roberts drew Roberts Copyleft

      If you don't have complete, digital source, how are you building?

      about 4 months ago
    • drew Roberts drew Roberts Copyleft

      is it reasonable to posit that at best it would give one a first mover advantage?

      about 4 months ago
    • Denver Gingerich Denver Gingerich

      Ideas for moving beyond #copyleft: http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2012/01/31/copyleft-regulates/ (via @mlinksva) #copyright

      about 4 months ago
    • Crosbie Fitch Crosbie Fitch

      If kids should be thrown in jail for sharing illicit copies of s/w then also for not disclosing #copyleft source post-#copyright abolition?

      about 4 months ago
    • Mike Linksvayer Mike Linksvayer Copyleft , drew Roberts

      @zotz that sounds logical, but it's easy to ship programs based on non-replicable builds, eg some steps only in heads, if that.

      about 4 months ago
    • Mike Linksvayer Mike Linksvayer Copyleft , drew Roberts

      @zotz no, or rather only if current binary is the only thing of value. in some cases, like trade secret, which can obtain >1st mover advantg

      about 4 months ago
    • Mike Linksvayer Mike Linksvayer Crosbie Fitch

      @crosbie I don't think criminal sanction appropriate at all, but if said kids have govt contract or ship regulated product, consequences yes

      about 4 months ago
    • Crosbie Fitch Crosbie Fitch

      Nasty. Power corrupts. Even the #copyright within #copyleft corrupts those who mistake its epiphenomena for evil. Liberty needs no power.

      about 4 months ago
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    • drew Roberts drew Roberts Copyleft

      do we think any market leading or close to the top programs are in this category?

      about 4 months ago

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