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@fontana wow people are *still* complaining about it!?
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I don't have the remote backup tool working yet. I may not have time. Sad that @fontana gives arbitrary deadline. Can someone else help!?!?
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@bkuhn you just want to crawl all his posts? I can probably do that pretty easy
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@bkuhn you just want to crawl all his posts? I can probably do that pretty easy http://sngpl.ma/t4GT0
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@bkuhn I might have some time this weekend, have you published a prototype?
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@bkuhn I’m crawling now. Also, it’s been suggested to me that http://ur1.ca/4om7p likely has a number of the more r…
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@bkuhn I'm crawling now. Also, it's been suggested to me that sngpl.ma/u2H likely has a number of the more recent ones that… sngpl.ma/t4GT1
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@fontana Have you tried @samatjain@identi.ca 's backup tool yet?
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I think I remember the Giuliani line, but I swear there was another one...
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@fontana, Pls tell me what the point would there is to answer your (otherwise interesting) questions here. You'll just delete context later.
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I'm Michael Moore &/or George Bailey of !FreeSoftware. Can't imagine any other analogy that fits…Is @greve still JamesBond of Free Software?
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@fontana Please refrain from deleting everything; I've been writing an article for the past 6 months & it's filled with links to your dents…
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@fontana I should've mentioned it's in French :-) been heavily linking to conversations, your dents were a vital part but links still exist
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@fontana That being said, not sure I get your point: what's wrong with leaving your account untouched? (e.g. for archival purposes)
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@fontana you're not going to write that. It really bugs me when people say they're "going" to write code. Writing code fits Yoda's philsophy
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@bkuhn "there is no try...catch, only do...while" #yodaprogramsinc
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I totally have the #MASH theme stuck in my head now.
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Use the force?
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@kaz is the jaywalker. @bkuhn is the Michael Moore of #freesoftware. I can't remember the name/nick of the poor man's Jono Bacon though...
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@eximious I'm guessing "Do or do not. There is no 'try'."
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Well, that certainly makes more sense than "Size matters not. "
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@bkuhn "get on with" could imply code has been written. repository? or is it going-to-open-source-(v.)-going-to-write #doublevapor
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@fontana I think you mean #TaxiDriver.
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TV version. #MASH was on 3-4 times a day for most of my childhood.
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@fontana it breaks many pages, but you you can take or leave them as you please
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@fontana, I perfectly caught #MASH reference & thought it was good, but your insistence on deleting our past communications is !disturbing
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The final countdown?
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@fontana have you written any blog posts on why you favor #Denticide? #YouSoundLikeADentist
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@fontana one gets to wonder what the point is of sabotaging threading and burning history...
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@fontana I thought that, after publishing under a license that permits sharing and twisting, you'd be better off keeping notes intact
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this thread has me listening to every possible permutation of #suicideispainless, thanks for the wasted hours :)
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@fontana Your performance art counter is skipping?
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@fontana I'm glad you have a right to be forgotten. I hope @bkuhn and others respect that. Folks, if you see thread errors, let me know.
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@fontana you may not be in the Identiverse but you will not be forgotten.
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@fontana ok, good to know. You're just removing old dents then.
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I don't know what this forgetting model is. Did @fontana ever mention it? CC-BY permission granted and dents exist in federated instances
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OK. "You have the right to delete the stuff you published to identi.ca".
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@fontana that all said, I do take the drama very personally. I know it's a big joke to you, but it's a big big deal to me.
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I take it more personally that you're driving @bkuhn into conniptions
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@fontana,clearly you don't want them public anymore. You've not told me the reason,but as your friend I respect your wishes despite license.
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@fontana so are you trying to just make a point by sabotaging it? or is this a “why jump off the bridge?” “because I can” argument?
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@fontana why do you bring PHP into the conversation with me, BTW?
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@fontana if statusnet really gave you the right to delete notices, the protocol should mandate deletion across instances
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@fontana, it may seem that way, but it is not in conflict.
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offf off yes http://www.oyunsoft.org :)
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I think there's a good question about whether to insert [deleted] or something similar into conversations where something's gone missing.
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Because sometimes just the fact that you said something *at all* is embarrassing.
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It's a pretty fundamental question; do social updates work like email (can't delete remotely) or like Web publishing (can).
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Could show [deleted] with no user info whatsoever.
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Expecting to revoke anything once it has been sent to the internet is silly and leads to frustration.
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@evan IMHO once the data reaches a server that's not under one's own control, removing one's own copy is pointless
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@evan given federation, even if there were provisions to remove remotely, peers might refuse to comply => it's like email
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There's no reason we couldn't send out "deleted" notifications over #fsw.
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@lxoliva practically spreaking there's no way to enforce that, I know I would disable it on my instance if there were such a feature.
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Maybe. I think communities where deleting one's own mistaken messages are much more civil. http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/ForgiveAndForget
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@evan I suspect it will work as well as cancellations do over Usenet.
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You realize yogurt is milk that has gone bad, right? :) Of course if it's got sugar and fruit in it, that's another story.
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I would guess that this reply was for me; and yeah, but only sufficiently bad. :D
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Oh. oops. Reply fail. But kind of relevant.
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@evan deleting mistaken messages is useful, but I'd set a short timeout to delete after post, and keep the message if there are replies
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@evan other than that, having entries removed from my friends' timeline feels like having 1984 removed from my e-reader :-( /cc @fontana
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Next @fontana talk to be "The decline of the #FranklinStreetStatement, and what to do about it" #TNAT
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@fontana free network svcs so far behind that licenses, let alone small amount of abuse by impostors, not a factor. cannot blame AGPL.
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@fontana there is a version by Marilyn Manson apparently? #DenticideIsPainless
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@fontana That is hard to wrap mind around for most ppl. Federated sites are equals, even if some smaller than others.
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@fontana "proprietary relicensor pwned the AGPL" -> What was that? I missed this episode.
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@evan Big problem is sending out a redacted message means anyone who hasn't received the memo will look extra hard at it.
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I cannot make that commitment, obviously.
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@evan lame!
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If I RD something that someone else has published, and they delete the original, that shouldn't have the right to alter/delete MY posting.
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@fontana re. linkrot, I usually rely on archive.org but identica doesn't seem to have been archived for the past 2 years. (I understand why)
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@fontana, I've already told you that I won't answer your questions here, b/c of your deletionist tendencies. Sorry.
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being a go-between @evan ?
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@bkuhn this makes me extremely sad :'( #DefinitelyNotATroll
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@lxoliva I would make an auto-repeater a feature request, but that would be the single most annoying thing ever...
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Just set up a federated instance and subscribe to the users. Instant backup. (going forward)
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@fontana your detachment from existing posts surely makes your move easier than mine :-)
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@nds actually troll.status.net would be better for the #nat tag
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@fontana try to talk empowerment to a judge when asking for your public argument to be scratched from published records
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@fontana it's part of my memory you're deleting. whose ethics is that?
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♻ @lxoliva: this is a test. I'll delete it after posting a followup
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eeek, this RD seems to have been completely omitted from the thread once I deleted its parent, though in context still points to same thread
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@fontana while relying on him to have your dents removed isn't?
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@fontana it's pretty easy for me to create an account and have it repeat all of those messages. must I, really? wanna pick its name?
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@fontana anyhow, I now have a copy of all of your remaining notices (2674 of them) in xml format, including their ids
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@fontana not for this length of time! unsurprisingly, you have more interesting things to say :)
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Guns don't kill context, @fontana kills context.
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@bkuhn in case you (or anyone else) is interested, here are scripts to back up @fontana's dents http://ur1.ca/8d6ve
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@fontana Unfair. "Sad you are" --/--> "Sad you can".
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Yes. I'm a conversational front man.
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@fontana Yes, though I can't help reading 'service' with scare quotes :-) Nonetheless, it isn't doing it quietly; predicts more response.
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@fontana, I'm not opposed to interacting with you via our own statusnet instances. I need to find some time to do this setup, though.
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"ordinary folks like you" As someone who started with knoppix, then moved to ubuntu all in 2009, whose lesson in settin…
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@fontana I have to say, the whole situation does not exactly confer sainthood on anyone involved ;)
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@diablomarcus Yet, I feel pretty good about having introduced the #denticide tag. ;-)
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Don't forget some people opt to receive email notification for @-replies, meaning the archive is bigger still.
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got it working in lighttpd as well, don't remember why I moved back to apache.
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come on
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