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How hard is it too be totally free software wise?
- Dorothee Janssen likes this.
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@lstench That depends on how determined you are. @rms does it, obviously :-) Personally, I don’t think it’s that st…
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I don't think it's that simple either. RMS seems to feel all or nothing. I feel like every little bit counts. If you us…
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@lstench Absolutely agree with you. Baby steps, I think. Not just that, but we run the risk of advocacy becoming fanati…
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You'll have to find another email provider, again ;)
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so no polaris mail... what email providers qualify?
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so no Polaris mail... what email providers qualify?
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Yes and the thing about freedom is that it is addictive..
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idk, I run postfix.
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Well what the next best to hosting your own?
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@lstench I would say POP3 and downloading everything from the server & deleting the server copy.
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@lstench RMS seems to consider using/supporting proprietary software to be morally wrong, in which case it is an all-or-nothing thing.
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@lstench I think use/support of proprietary software *leads* to bad outcomes, but I don't think using/supporting it is inherently evil/
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@parlementum hmm but then know mobile sync correct
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@lstench Aye, it is that :-)
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@lstench I use IMAP for my mobile. But download everything to my desktop for archiving. Nothing left on ky server
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Makes sense. Who is your email provider?
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@lstench my own cloud server parlementum.net
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I feel like, viewed another way: Proprietary provides lots of negs, little-to-no positives. Closed-src protecting your Co is a myth
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What floss problem are you addressing?
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@dno definitely, everything I release is copyleft, I just don't beat myself up if I end up using a proprietary solution. (but I do avoid it)
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Why did you choose not to host it yourself?
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@zoowar I suspect it isn’t exactly a FLOSS problem, but a legal one. Once read, a message left on the server can be given to cops without …
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@zoowar ... a warrant, from what I’ve read. I’m not sure which federal court(s) handled the case, though.
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@lstench its my own vps, but it has multiple users and services. To host from home would be a violation of ISP ToS
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@zoowar i am not addressing any FLOSS problem
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So you do something like this http://lydiastench.com/status/url/1104
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the initial investment in getting setup takes awhile, but I’ve been using free software since 2004; laptop, desktop a…
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The server will likely archive each email before it is delivered to your email box.
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@lstench yes except more primitive :) I use abook and calcurse.
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@lstench Also, having once been a mail administrator, I am not eager to do it again. It is worthwhile to me to pay someone else to do it.
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@parlementum I thought that was just here with our legacy ISP cable ... I had no idea American ISPs were as bad as Canadian ones
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lol @lnxwalt mail can be stressful. I remember the days setting up mandatory IMAP and SMTP encryption, took awhile!
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on the topic of mail, I run encrypted IMAP+SMTP on Exim and Dovecot, Roundcube and Squirrelmail as hosted web interface…
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If I can offer advice, don’t dive into Exim right away as it is no longer the default. However, if you take a week o…
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@lnxwalt yes I rather not spend the time as it is more valuable to me than money.
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Apart from a wireless network card, my machine runs FaiF completely. My web&mail host uses a clean Debian install, so it should qualify.
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Doesn't @laurelrusswurm run FaiF? I seem to remember her using #Trisquel. Just played with latest release: Sweet OS, both Light & Standard.
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When I was living in the US, I looked into hosting plans: I think it was GreenGeeks I was considering, they were all FaiF with my needs.
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@mjjzf @lstench FaiF as possible; flashless !Trisquel on desktop but w/ XP in virtual box for when I need photoshop http://www.ur1.ca/8010u
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I think she is on ubuntu now, if I recall she was having some problems with trisquel. Just finished downloading it abou…
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One of my host pair networks is all opensource.
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Please tell me this is a joke?
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It has to do with the “locked bootloader” thing they’re trying to roll out (“safeboot?”). It is effectively …
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@laurelrusswurm @mjjzf @lstench seriously? That makes no sense
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on that note… (rolling my eyes in advance) please get your legislators, “the lawmakers,” to stop giving our parli…
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@laurelrusswurm @lstench @ryanweal what if you build your own desktop?
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hmm so using a host that runs only opensource qualifies you think?
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@mohanpram I tried hard to buy kid an OS free laptop; #impossible ... to buy computer in a store in !Canada it has Windows or Mac installed
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@ryanweal Agreed would be better if USTR/MPAA left rest of world to make our own laws, but US system is even more broken than ours
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Here are a few Companies in Canada that sell Linux systems: http://www.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed#ca The list may not be up to date.
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@laurelrusswurm Dell used to sell #FreeDOS computers that were usually out-of-the-box ready for Ubuntu. Not sure if #Canada included.
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@gomerx Yes, you can special order them, but you can't walk into a retail store and test drive them. And they cost a lot more.
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@lnxwalt Sporadically retailers would carry them; once Bill C-11 passes that will be even less likely
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@lnxwalt Minister of Heritage (behind DRM law) liked being called the "ipod Minister" b/c thinks knowing what to buy indicates tech prowess
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This is making me angry!! Can't something be done?
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I paid extra because freedom is important to me.
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@lstench most #Canadians don't know !copyright will harm us and our children. By the time they know #toolate #silentnewsmedia
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@laurelrusswurm if he bought an iPod he doesn't know what to buy
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@laurelrusswurm it's quite ironic that the US is now pushing a global copyright agenda since we kept out of it for ~100 years
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@laurelrusswurm do you have a copyright office that lists exceptions? Here it pretty seems like every reasonable except…
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If my own system is FaiF, my router as well, and my web and mail host is as well, I think that is as far as I can get?
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Depressing. I have used a Danish selfpub business which lets you print from your own PDF - which I can definitely make in sufficient quality
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True without dealing with the hardware issue.
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@mjjzf I quite dislike PDFs and the supposedly "open" version doesn't impress me; it was dreadful trying to deal with them when in Windows
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You are talking about free hardware as well? That is rather a different challenge. I have considered the Freedom Box, though.
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Well. PDFs are exactly good for print. I would use Sigil for ePubs, but we have discussed that.
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@mjjzf only was thinking of software when I posted. Question is once you conquer software, where do you go from there? Or is that enough?
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I would say that depends on how much you influence others. In my job it is Windows machines, but almost everything I send out is PDFs -
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- so if you are in a position to influence how other people use things, open standards for information exchange are a relevant thing.
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@mjjzf I know, and it's necessary to upload PDFs via the Create Space flash uploader. Still haven't cracked open LaTex yet
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@laurelrusswurm I have been trying to translate Sigil and Zotero, but as it turns out, there is a huge specialised terminology in ..
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.. there. Tough.
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@mjjzf Why translate specialized terminology? Adopt the jargon words as is? I know someone who does support in Dutch, w/en for jargon
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Mostly metadata stuff: Compiler, binding designer, donor; there is a huge load of terms & definitions, where the translation can be unclear.
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Don't want to send you down the rabbit hole, but... http://writtenandread.net/lyx/
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@mjjzf No, that's great. I thought it was the other way round, that Lyx was the original and LaTex the bridge… you've saved me already :)
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@mjjzf That said, if I learn Lxy first, is the mark-up the same in LaTex if I choose to go try that later?
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@laurelrusswurm You can export your LyX document to LaTeX and work on with that. As I wrote, I find regular LaTeX hard to get an ..
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.. overview of.
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@mjjzf Well your Lyx article made me less nervous ~ I will certainly try it, thanks :)
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@mjjzf I even "pinned" it http://www.ur1.ca/95x9a
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@laurelrusswurm As I wrote: Only drawback is the graphics, which are a bit tricky to get nice with it.
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@mjjzf Good thing I'm only concerned with words at this point :)
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