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I am Barack Obama http://imgur.com/y0BlO #election2012 !libertarian - Also @greg just to start my day on a trollish note :)
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/me is curious on how Ron Paul is also not the establishment since he is employed by the establishment :) ~trollish
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We're all employed by the establishment.
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@pete honest question that may be inappropriate at this time: Obama or Romney?
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The liquor store.
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@pete good answer. (sidenote: I was honestly surprised that my phone knew/predicted Obama and Romney)
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The serious answer is Ron Paul. Really, @greg, we've known each other kind of a long time now. Am I a "lesser of two evils" guy?
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Heh. Try to type Ron Paul in there, see if turns into Romney ;)
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that's a bit of a generalization being that Ron Paul actively participates in a political system puts the privileged fi…
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So anyone involved in politics is unqualified to be involved in politics? I see a few problems with this.
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Do you intend to vote? Just curious.
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@pete my real question is: do you see much of a real difference between Obama and Romney? 6 vs half a dozen?
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Only in whose pockets they will pick and whose pockets they will fill. Obama will fatten unions, the auto industry, and Wall Street...
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Romney will fatten oil companies, defense contractors, and Wall Street.
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They will both fuck the working poor. Obama will especially fuck the non-union working poor. Romney the union working poor.
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They will both blow up brown people in mud huts and not call it a war. Why are you doing this to me, @greg? Now I want a drink ;)
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Let me edit that. Romney will fuck organized labor, Obama will fuck disorganized labor. Yeah, I like that better. Sorry for the dent-bomb.
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no but someone within a party claiming to be outside the established system while working in the system that he says he…
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rather spend my time building a new system to replace the joke of the US system...it was never intended for the people
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I don't think that's a fair representation at all. We're also trying to rebuild the system, we're just using a different tactic.
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Ron Paul's about as "outside the system" as one who works in DC can be. I don't see how one could claim otherwise.
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my point is trying to change system from within the system is pointless as it has been tried and failed...the system won't allow it
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But he is in DC and validates the government and means to change from within...what's the point of doing that?
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You don't think, for instance, FDR changed the system from within? Or, to take a counter-example, Reagan? I totally disagree.
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Um i don't think of FDR as a great person and certainly not Reagan either, i mean if you want to protect the capitalist…
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I didn't say they were great people, I said achieved change. Whether it's change you or I like is not the point.
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we are putting a low bar on change here...don't you think...i mean if saving capitalism from it's own internal conflict…
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If you're calling anything short of socialist revolution "not really change," then this is rigged and we can't have an honest conversation.
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If the New Deal doesn't count as change, you are just blinded by your ideology. Not trying to be mean, but damn, dude.
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Just as a datapoint, when I referred to Reagan I was thinking about his foreign policy. Disgusting, abhorrent, but a marked change.
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I am not saying it has to be socialist but change does imply that those in power are no longer in power and that didn't…
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You keep saying it, "it it doesn't bring down the capitalist system it's not really change." (Paraphrased.) You are rigging the game.
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All that was in the New Deal was response to the movements on the ground to stop them cause they were seeking revolutio…
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which part of his foreign policy the CIA intervention in countries with socialist uprisings like Guatemala that was so …
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So if it's not the fall of capitalism, it's not change. I can't have a debate with you on those premises, I just can't.
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It was a change in scope and scale. It made multiple hot, undeclared wars the new normal.
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Which isn't to say that it's never happened before. But it's never stopped since.
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And the other reason I can't continue to debate you...I'm going home :) Catch up with you later!
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I am open to changing the constitution or actual systemic change to the government but no actual changes were made to t…
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But Reagan didn't create that as my point was that the CIA was already doing this before vietnam and after under nixon,…
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