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#Germany are well oiled tournament players, they grow into the tournament as it progresses, so an early defeat means nothing
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@thistleweb I hope the same goes for the Dutch team. NL lost the first game in 1988 against the Soviet-Union and became champion :-)
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@sandersch there's no reason the Dutch can't, they just have a hoodoo over getting so far with a decent team, then falling
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@sandersch it's the difference between believing you can do something, and knowing you can
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@thistleweb but they last the war ;-p
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@sandersch which one?.......oh wait
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@thistleweb both
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