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  1. Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide

    ♻ @KompaLaw: Was mich ja an der GEMA fasziniert: Wieso habt ihr Musiker usw. …so lange bieten lassen? http://t.co/glHxtE1A

    about a year ago from Choqok at Graben-Neudorf, Baden-Württemberg, Germany
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      tekk tekk

      @arnebab I feel really bad for anyone who tried to use youtube with GEMA around...

      about a year ago
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide tekk

      @tekk yes… I just hope that #GEMA will once extract money from someone for playing my GPL songs. I would not hold back the lawyer…

      about a year ago
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      tekk tekk

      @arnebab you put songs under the gpl? how does that work?(I guess if you made them in lmms or something you could say t…

      about a year ago
    • Alexandre Oliva Alexandre Oliva tekk

      is public performance propagation or conveyance? ♻ @tekk: @arnebab you put songs under the gpl? how does that work?

      about a year ago
    • Richard Fontana Richard Fontana The GNU General Public License , Alexandre Oliva

      @lxoliva if US law applies I'd say public perf (where distinct from execution from software) is propagation but not conveying under !GPLv3

      about a year ago
    • Alexandre Oliva Alexandre Oliva The GNU General Public License , Richard Fontana

      @fontana even though public performance might enable other parties to make copies, e.g. by recording the song?

      about a year ago
    • Richard Fontana Richard Fontana The GNU General Public License , Bradley M. Kuhn , Alexandre Oliva

      @lxoliva That isn't what the drafters of #GPLv3 meant by that clause. #GPLv4 should clarify. cc: @bkuhn

      about a year ago
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide tekk

      @tekk The source is the sheet music, what I sing (recording or sound waves from body and guitar) is both source and binary at the same time

      about a year ago
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide Alexandre Oliva

      @lxoliva Actually I don’t care about the distinction: People can get the sheet music under GPL and record what I sing.

      about a year ago
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide Alexandre Oliva

      @lxoliva If they don’t record what I sing, they have no right on the source (don’t have the binary) and if they do, they have the source :)

      about a year ago
    • Alexandre Oliva Alexandre Oliva

      @arnebab I'm concerned about 3rd-party compliance. they'd have to recite the GPL as part of their public performance to comply

      about a year ago
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide Alexandre Oliva

      @lxoliva I don’t have to put the GPL into the GUI of a program, I just have to have it with the program. Having it at hand should suffice.

      about a year ago
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide Alexandre Oliva

      @lxoliva For example like this: http://ur1.ca/8qlbq

      about a year ago
    • Alexandre Oliva Alexandre Oliva

      @arnebab but if you convey a work under GPLv3, you have to give (not just offer) a copy of the GPL to the recipient

      about a year ago
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide Alexandre Oliva

      @lxoliva please remind me to get back to you about that this evening…

      about a year ago
    • Alexandre Oliva Alexandre Oliva

      @arnebab get back to you about what? I forget... :-D

      about a year ago
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide Alexandre Oliva

      @lxoliva Hm, I see the problem. How do you solve it for offering individual source files, for example here? ur1.ca/9ko8j

      about a year ago
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide Alexandre Oliva

      @lxoliva GPL and songs. That’s also what my previous answer was about.

      about a year ago
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide Alexandre Oliva

      @lxoliva I think I would have a lot of fun if someone asked me to recite the GPL to have it side by side with my songs :)

      about a year ago
    • Alexandre Oliva Alexandre Oliva

      @arnebab /me makes joke about volatile memory ;-)

      about a year ago
    • Alexandre Oliva Alexandre Oliva

      @arnebab now that's a good question! how does one avoid triggering GPLv2 revocation by e.g. posting patches without a copy of GPLv2?

      about a year ago
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide Alexandre Oliva

      @lxoliva I don’t know.

      about a year ago
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide Free Software Foundation , Alexandre Oliva

      @lxoliva anything which solves the patch and source-browsing problem should also solve it for music. → !fsf an idea? ur1.ca/9koty

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Alexandre Oliva

      @lxoliva, AFAIK,at least in USA, not clear whether public performance right applies to software ∴ it's dangerous to use as part of policy.

      about a year ago
    • Rob Myers Rob Myers Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn ooh is there any case law? This is relevant for GPL/BY_Sa compatibility...

      about a year ago
    • Bradley M. Kuhn Bradley M. Kuhn Rob Myers

      @robmyers, I'm certainly not aware of any. Indeed, if there were case law, there would be some clarity. That's my whole point to begin with.

      about a year ago
    • Alexandre Oliva Alexandre Oliva Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn 'cept we're talking about music, oddly licensed under GNU GPL

      about a year ago
    • Richard Fontana Richard Fontana Bradley M. Kuhn

      @bkuhn I think public performance fits in #GPLv3 classification scheme but perhaps should be treated explicitly in #GPLv4

      about a year ago
    • Arne Babenhauserheide Arne Babenhauserheide Alexandre Oliva

      @lxoliva GPLv2 had some special rules about giving out copies in small numbers, iirc.

      about a year ago
    • Jason Self Jason Self Alexandre Oliva

      @lxoliva You are presumably copyright holder? If so you can't really revoke yourself.

      about a year ago
    • Alexandre Oliva Alexandre Oliva Jason Self

      @jxself patches are normally derivative works; point is © holders of original can revoke my license for infringing with patch

      about a year ago
    • Simon Phipps Simon Phipps Alexandre Oliva

      ... assuming the patch is substantial enough to be copyrightable.

      about a year ago
    • Jason Self Jason Self Alexandre Oliva

      @lxoliva Consider what's in the patch. Seems strange that someone could revoke your ability to distribute something you wrote.

      about a year ago
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    • Alexandre Oliva Alexandre Oliva Jason Self

      @jxself if the patch happens to be a derivative work (and IIUC most patches are), copyright law grants just this kind of power

      about a year ago

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