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Christopher Allan Webber
GNU's Not Unix
, Free Software Foundation
, The GNU General Public License
, Richard Fontana
CC0'ed stuff? This is why we need the General Public General Public License License, a copyleft license for copyleft license text.
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Hilton Garcia Fernandes likes this.
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Damn, you're good. #notatroll
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I'm tempted to fork your project in an effort to restore GPLv3 compatibility. #libregpl
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Brilliant! ♻ @fontana I have begun a fork of !GPLv3 on GitHub: http://ur1.ca/9pucd !fsf !gnu
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The license have a legal issue, in some way because here in Costa Rica any product must have 30 days of Warranty after …
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@fontana instead of "next", can your next fork of a license be "TNG" ?
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Hilton Garcia Fernandes likes this.
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Naive, but has to be asked (& not answered in github readme): Why?
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@fontana I'm glad to see that someone is finally addressing the gross lack of choices. We clearly need more distinct licenses
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You, sir, are a badass.
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Plenty of room for your answer here: http://ur1.ca/9q00y
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indeed. But, for free commercial software I would use the GNU GPL 3 license over others licenses!
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@fontana Can you please summarize for us the differences between your fork and the GPL license family?
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@csolisr the README is pretty clear.
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@parlementum Not for me! As far as I noticed, it only indicated that it was different, not how was it different.
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Christopher Allan Webber
GNU's Not Unix
, Free Software Foundation
, The GNU General Public License
, Richard Fontana
@fontana Interesting that you specifically say "program"; implying with certainty this is an only-software license?
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Inspired #trolldonation: unmodifyable licenses are nonfree works, and so should not be included in free distros
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@cwebber you're the first person besides me I've heard say that ... SIL thought me nuts when I asked their Open Font License text not be ©
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@cwebber why do we need a license for a public domain donation?
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@mlfeatherston my comment here #isatroll, and also a #vaguejoke borrowed from Bart Kelsey of OpenGameArt
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Sadly, person who kept recording seems to have lost it, so plans to release fake episode & confuse the 3 other listeners of #FaiF failed :(
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@mlfeatherson Because the copyright system is too friggin' broken to release a work as public domain in an easier way.
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Ah, yeah, if @mlfeatherston was asking why we need #CC0 it's largely "the public domain does not exist worldwide".
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@cwebber Relatedly, the day that #LibreJS blocks non-free media and text... it will block all the @FSF's works of opinion.
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I always thought it was kind of interesting that the @FSF regards unfree software as a mortal sin but doesn't see unfree culture that way
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@jewelfox Why? Because it may distort the author's point of view. Moral rights and proper attribution are there just for that, but nope!
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The @FSF thinks people don't build on each other's explanations of opinion? Or myths?
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This is probably the biggest reason the @FSF seems unreasonably zealous to me, is that they don't think through to the logical conclusion
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@jewelfox It may not help that @rms has a very strict list of vocabulary that he thinks should be avoided: http://ur1.ca/ivje
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@jewelfox Granted, they promote that all works should be at the very least able to be legally distributed verbatim and noncomercially.
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So CC-ND-NC except reinvented from scratch and probably with less legal backing
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@jewelfox @rms grew with no family. As a result he has many personal issues, but also he thought about issues no one has thought of before.
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@jewelfox Same here! Except my blog, it's CC-BY precisely to allow people to answer my posts with another license
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That falls under "fair use" in the States, I'm not sure about Costa Rica
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@jewelfox CR also features fair use. Still, having people to rely on it just strenghtens ©
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Doesn't having it where your work is nonviral and can be copyrighted at will strengthen copyright?
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@jewelfox Good point, that. I actually set a poll to see if I should switch to SA, 2/3rds of the votes said "yes".
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@jewelfox I disagree with the FSF's position on nonfree culture and have expressed that cirticism to them many times, but
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I feel that the FSF has had a long history in thinking things through in the *free software* domain more than anyone else
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even if I disagree on the free culture end of things. Anyway, it's the free software domain of things I donate money to them for :)
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It's the "thinking things through" thing I don't think they're doing that well maybe
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@fontana, I find it !disturbing that you use a proprietary network service to work on your fork of !GPLv3. I won't participate b/c of that.
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Does it ever bother you that @fontana is more skillful than a nuclear sub operator at pushing all your buttons?
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My experience is that it's people who sincerely care who are the easiest to troll. #notatroll #wellactuallyyeah
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@evan,I agree. But, I'm upset more b/c ppl from orig #autonomo.us group are happily contributing to #GPL.next on #Github w/out raising issue
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@fontana how can it fail? I already have 5 projects using the GPL.next license
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@fontana, why on earth don't you use commit messages for justifying the changes instead of separately editing a rationale doc?
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@bkuhn, perhaps you should also mirror #GPL.next issues (easy to get via github api, it seems) to protect against #deletionism ;-)
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@fontana, assumed it was a conscious choice, my apologies. however, should take into account your current changes look opaque to outsiders
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@fontana, terribly sorry to have come off as elitist, code of conduct or not
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@cwebber This is precisely why they're not called the Free Culture Foundation. :)
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@jxself true, but does feel ironic that if contributing to free sw bulletin that I have ethical conflict about producing nonfree culture ;)
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@jxself As said, not the reason I donate to and support the FSF. But I would love to see consistency, even if it isn't FSF's main purpose
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♻ @bkuhn: @fontana, I find it #disturbing that you use a proprietary network service to work on your fork of #GPLv3.
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shame on them! :-( ♻ @bkuhn: ppl from orig #autonomo.us group are happily contributing to #GPL.next on #Github w/out raising issue
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@lxoliva If I wanted to contribute, I'd happily do so without knowing this issue. Thanks for raising, but maybe they don't know as well.
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Christopher Allan Webber
GNU's Not Unix
, Free Software Foundation
, The GNU General Public License
, Richard Fontana
In all seriousness, I'm amused by GPL.next, but my feelings are mostly "License proliferation is not the answer."
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@fontana yet it’s an issue, isn’t it? Thou shalt not fork unless extremely necessary! licenses = standards: the more, the messier
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@fontana fully ACK. But v.3 had strong rationale (eg swpats) and occurred 15 years later. I’m just speaking in general, not taking sides.
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@fontana it is correct, particularly without compatibility, but v2 needed bug patching, and v3 is compatible with then-recommended v2+
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@fontana which suggests the question: what copyleft weakness in v3 are you looking into addressing in GPL.next?
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@fontana tivoization, and intl protection from patents and DRM anti-circumvention legislation are all copyleft weaknesses in v2
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@fontana Well it's a good thing I'm transitioning out of my job at the #establishment then; must be a sincere concern ;)
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@fontana, I've already offered to assist in improving #Gitorious to suit the needs of the project. Where's your bug list so I can start?
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@bkuhn I find Gitorious has a very different structure (project-based, like *forge). Self-hosting is pretty easy
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@bkuhn I find Gitorious has a very different structure (project-based, like *forge). Self-hosting is pretty easy http://sngpl.ma/t4Jn0
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@bkuhn AGPLv1 existed
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@fontana, Also, if you recall, I had trouble getting your attention to help me write: http://ur1.ca/9qn4q
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@bkuhn I thought I had promptly helped you out with that notice, but don't remember it too clearly.
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@mcepl, I didn't realize at the time that one could watch a project and not fork it. I don't think I have any changes in those forks.
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Likely because they perceive that having their works of opinion modifieable might harm their battle for free software.
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you have to fork to make sure that the project does not get pulled off. That’s why I do it: It’s free licensed, but it could be deleted.
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@fontana is there a changelog in copyleft.next?
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@arnebab Granted, someone could modify their speeches to distort their vocabulary and give another meaning to them. But...
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@arnebab ...given proper attribution, the writer would have to include a disclaimer stating that the version is modified.
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