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@johnnynull no, that's outsourced to the far east :)
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Must Read: Craig Murray: Rusbridger’s Lies are Sacred and Neo-Con Comment is Free http://www.ur1.ca/9zsvi #Assange !wikileaks #media #bias
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Some good points, but I think he's being a bit unfair with "The Guardian’s shrill and vitriolic campaign against Assange"
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Assange is becoming our Alger Hiss or Rosenberg moment
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@mcnalu Agreed, but I think he's taking it personally, as people do when they feel attacked. #DontBlameHim
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@encycl What we need is transparency, transparency, transparency. Civil Rights. Accountable government. And dare I say it... democracy.
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Fair enough. Also, AFAIK, that misrepresentation is the only reference to his excellent speech in today's UK mainstream media.
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@mcnalu The watchdog press is dead. Governments & corporations call the tune, people have no right to know #WhyISupportWikileaks !wikileaks
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Was it ever alive, or more alive? If I look back to papers and TV in the 60s in the UK, treatment of politicians and seems more fawning.
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@mcnalu At least in the US, the muckrakers seemed to have taken the role seriously.
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@mcnalu Most famous example was Watergate. Now the "news media" is (a) entertainment (b) self serving (c) propaganda or (d) alloftheabove
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@laurelrusswurm I think US press has been agenda-driven for at least the past 50+ years. Watergate coverage just fit the agenda. cc @mcnalu
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@lnxwalt280 I'm inclined to agree.
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@laurelrusswurm I agree up to a point, but I think that's overstating it. There's good info in mass media amongst fud and propaganda.
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@mcnalu @lnxwalt280 I don't know; my point is that most people here—probably in most western democracies—believe we *have* a watchdog press
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@laurelrusswurm we do, kind of. it's called blogs :)(of course, they don't have the credibility yet)
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@mcnalu @lnxwalt280 The thinking is that mainstream media news (many include Fox) exists to inform the public. If not there, it isn't real.
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@laurelrusswurm we do have a watchdog press, they watch out for their mates with money & smear, defame etc those who'd damage it
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@tekk Yes, citizen journalism is alive and well (threatening propaganda machine passing for news media) but you're right, it's early days.
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@mcnalu Absolutely. Some of the best bang-on reporting here is being printed in one of the scariest newspapers.
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@mcnalu the problem is that each news story needs to be critically assessed on its own merits, and most people lack the time & energy
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@thistleweb Yes. The whole post-cablegate melt down was rather illuminating.
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@laurelrusswurm totally agree with that. My belief is that until more folk become more critical, there'll be no reason for media to improve
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@laurelrusswurm it's certainly a better alternative. what do you think of when you say "internet newsmedia"?
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That's so broad a definition I can't really comment! But I suspect we're mostly wishing for the same change.
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@mcnalu That's the point. We talk about "the nanny state" with derision, but happily allowed "the nanny news" to tell us what we can know
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@Laurelrusswurm The nanny state is what the corporate managers say when their human stock are not doing what they want.
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@satipera I've heard the implication that we are children who must be protected from ourselves and cared for because we are not competant
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@Laurelrusswurm You missed the point, even we are judged competent we will never be allowed to get in the way of the relaxed minority.
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@satipera I got the point, but I'm an optimist who believes that things can change for the better. (Most days, anyway.)
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@satipera Information/Education/Awareness = tipping point
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@satipera Most compelling argument: effort energy & money spent trying to suppress information, despoil education and keep citizens subdued
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Me too. The society in which I live, is certainly more free and fair than the one of a hundred years ago.
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@Laurelrusswurm How will it change? Will the "winners" say "Yes we see what you meant now." And pass their trophies to us who did not win?
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@Mcnalu It is as long as you believe it. Remember should they want you there is a great book of we have you.
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@mcnalu yes, because of changing ideas. The problem is that it is less free than 10 years ago, or 20 years ago, as they erode civil rights
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@Laurelrusswurm When things are running smoothly democracy is wonderful. Things are not running smoothly now.
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@satipera Why do there have to be winners and losers? Cooperation would be far more beneficial to all of humanity.
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Could that be due to a declining empire becoming increasingly desperate? #speculating
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@satipera We are at a turning point: we can have freedom or repression; and there are a lot of disparate elements fighting for freedom.
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@Laurelrusswurm I am long since converted. I know I shall regret this but if you can point to a dent where I use winner or loser..
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@Laurelrusswurm Come on it was in scare quotes.
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@satipera for near decade we were lucky to have minority rule, not limited dictatorship #asclosetodemocracyasweget but now back to dictator
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@satipera The Internet allows ordinary people to know what goes on...Facebook imperfect but here prevents politicians from covering up stuff
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@Laurelrusswurm We get to vote for the next intake of labour managers for the corporations. It does not matter who gets in.
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@satipera I'm a writer, I see quotation marks ;)
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@Larelrusswurm I put my faith in a free internet not governments. How much longer will we have it?
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@Laurelrusswurm They are democratic in name only.
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@satipera citizen disaffection with our inequitable electoral systems resulted in many thinking people turning their backs in disgust.
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@satipera The consequence is the governments we have. We no longer have the luxury of uninvolvement unless we want the world to go to 1984
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@Laurelrusswurm Our wonderful government have decided that the telly license payer must now fund the BBC world news propaganda unit #nopay
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@satipera Everything is connected... it is those repressive "democratic" governments that will slay the free internet. Don't let it happen.
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@Laurelrusswurm I'm doing my best :)
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@satipera Me too.
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I was surprised how many people line up to chat w/my Fair Vote friends when they set up info booth at local festivals !CDNpoli #changecoming
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@johnnynull I live in a post-imperial country, pop over sometime if you'd like a peek into the future ;)
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