Indi in the Wired (indi)

Indi in the Wired Evan Prodromou

I think a message of protest is more powerful when it is done WITHOUT that kind of tight organization - truly grassroots.

Indi in the Wired Atheist Group , Arne Babenhauserheide

@arnebab I recall a recent media shock that Dawkins was not a strong !atheist. Surprised everyone, except those who'd read his book.

Indi in the Wired Arne Babenhauserheide

@arnebab I think @tekk is closer truth. What theists say about atheist writers is unrelated to reality. (cf Dawkins being "militant")

Indi in the Wired Atheism

@arnebab Yes, that's correct. Though for atheists at least, the strong type is a very small minority. They don't define the whole.

Indi in the Wired Atheism , Arne Babenhauserheide

@arnebab The Wikipedia definitions are correct.

Indi in the Wired Atheism , Arne Babenhauserheide

@arnebab You're fixating on a very tiny fringe group of atheists. There are kooky Canadians, too, but I still call myself Canadian.

Indi in the Wired Atheism , Arne Babenhauserheide

@arnebab There are fervent atheists, but so what? What they believe or do doesn't change what you are or I am.

Indi in the Wired Atheism , Arne Babenhauserheide

@arnebab That would just make you non-agnostic atheist.

Indi in the Wired Atheism , Arne Babenhauserheide

@arnebab Me, I doubt gods exist, but I don't think it can ever be proven yes or no. I'm an agnostic atheist.

Indi in the Wired Atheism , Arne Babenhauserheide

@arnebab Put altogether, sounds like you're a non-agnostic atheist. (Or temporarily-non-agnostic atheist.)

Indi in the Wired Atheism , Arne Babenhauserheide

@arnebab If you think one day we'll be able to prove a god exists (or doesn't), you're not agnostic. At best, you're temporarily agnostic.

Indi in the Wired Atheism , Arne Babenhauserheide

@arnebab If I ask, "Do you believe a god exists?" and you answer ANYTHING other than "Yes", you're atheist. Even if it's "I don't know."

Indi in the Wired Atheism , Arne Babenhauserheide

@arnebab Unfortunately you understand wrong. Atheists who say they don't know for certain are still atheists. Agnostic means something else.

Indi in the Wired Atheism , Arne Babenhauserheide , Michał Andrzej Woźniak

@rysiek It was the best I could do in 140 chars.

Indi in the Wired Atheism , Arne Babenhauserheide , Michał Andrzej Woźniak

@rysiek I didn't use "belief" to describe atheism. I used it to describe (a)theism. Theism is the belief, atheism is the lack.

Indi in the Wired Atheism , Arne Babenhauserheide , Michał Andrzej Woźniak

@rysiek I don't think you're reading what I'm writing carefully enough, because I'm not contradicting you.

Indi in the Wired Atheism , silner

@sliner That is not the definition of agnostic, though. (A)gnosticism is a belief about knowledge. (A)theism is a belief about existence.

Indi in the Wired Atheism , Arne Babenhauserheide

@arnebab How does the fact that SOME atheists are sure make the definition of !atheism : "ALL atheists are sure"? #strangedefinition

Indi in the Wired Atheism , Arne Babenhauserheide

@arnebab That's not what !atheists believe.

Indi in the Wired Diaspora - The Project , B. Ross Ashley

@brashley46 Oh yeah, that worked.