It is totally still worth contacting politicians to demand they oppose insanely stupid, no upside, massive downside bombing/missile-ing/other military intervention in Syria.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/09/02/2561371/congress-support-military-action-syria-thinkpro...
Even if you only get worked up about so-called "internet/digital freedom" (which is fucked up if that's the case, but whatever). Yr beloved Internet is a civilian casualty to [insert various] war(s).
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/09/02/2561371/congress-support-military-action-syria-thinkpro...
Even if you only get worked up about so-called "internet/digital freedom" (which is fucked up if that's the case, but whatever). Yr beloved Internet is a civilian casualty to [insert various] war(s).
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Indeed, for decades, and not just Syria.
The inability of humankind to police mass human rights violations is a gross market failure of the nation state system.
Butchery is way too low a bar.
Governments which imprison large portions of "their" population, or do not protect large portions of their populations from systematic prey by other classes, genders, or even common criminals, all ought be effectively punished and changed, even if "their" people can't get it together enough to do so (we have some examples of this within nation states, with a higher level of government forcing lower levels to respect/enforce human rights).
As tragic as it is, humankind has zero effective mechanism for doing any of this. We don't need yet another data point showing that bombing and similar is not effective, and indeed abets further violations.
The inability of humankind to police mass human rights violations is a gross market failure of the nation state system.
Butchery is way too low a bar.
Governments which imprison large portions of "their" population, or do not protect large portions of their populations from systematic prey by other classes, genders, or even common criminals, all ought be effectively punished and changed, even if "their" people can't get it together enough to do so (we have some examples of this within nation states, with a higher level of government forcing lower levels to respect/enforce human rights).
As tragic as it is, humankind has zero effective mechanism for doing any of this. We don't need yet another data point showing that bombing and similar is not effective, and indeed abets further violations.
Mike Linksvayer at 2013-09-05T17:44:28Z
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You seems right in your words. But it doesn't solve the current problem.
@22decembre: Nothing that any outside agents can possibly do will solve this problem. To think that "we can fix this" is hubris.
The current problem is the likely US military intervention. The only immediate solution is demanding US politicians stop the insanity.
Pete, regarding the problem of oppressive, murderous regimes (of varying degrees, Assad moving to one of the worst, but not the top), I disagree that there's nothing outside agents can possibly do. There are many things; killing just is not one of them. I would offer citizenship and all its rights from a better government, to anyone who wants it.
Pete, regarding the problem of oppressive, murderous regimes (of varying degrees, Assad moving to one of the worst, but not the top), I disagree that there's nothing outside agents can possibly do. There are many things; killing just is not one of them. I would offer citizenship and all its rights from a better government, to anyone who wants it.
Mike Linksvayer at 2013-09-07T19:40:28Z
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