Nathan Willis

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Today in Big Media Stuff, AT&T (which is the largest mobile internet provider in North America with 116 million subscribers, and has another 11 million broadband customers plus ~7 million cable TV customers, and has re-purchased 11 of the 14 "baby Bells") is buying DirecTV (which has 35 million TV subscribers -- around 70% of the satellite TV market in NA).

But yeah, let's whine and gripe and call Mozilla names some more. Cause man, we were *this* close to breaking the ISP companies' backs for good. *This* close.
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DVDs, Blueray or cable modems can't instantly change their physical limitations and will soon deprecated imho. Much to the contrary of the internet and the web.

I agree that by sheer numbers your concern about wrong concerns is valid. And treating those as lost causes an only think about Mozialla and EME covers a narrow view of the actual situation, but it is forsighted at the same time.

Also, what you ultimately say is most important: don't vote for DRM - especially not with your wallet!

mray INACTIVE at 2014-05-19T21:42:20Z

Here is the straw man you have made repeatedly.

"You don't have concerns about other forms of media distribution outside the tower."

I don't have a TV. I don't have a set-top box. I don't have satellite TV. Why? Heck, I don't even have a DVD player in my computer! Or Blu-Ray. There's no Nintendo or Sega Genesis here, either. And I haven't purchased a CD in quite some time. iTunes? No, don't have that either. Before buying a computer or phone, I check to see if there are open source drivers available for the hardware. Isn't that good enough, bro? :-)

If it were true that people like me were only concerned with one single situation -- the Mozilla and DRM sandbox situation -- that would be unproductive for the reasons you state. Fortunately, this is not the reality. We are not blind. We have lots of concerns and we address many of them in many different ways over time.

One reason that people use pump.io, of course, is that it's decentralized. We'd like to have more control over our personal communications, so we're here instead of (or in addition to) Twitter or Blogger. Another thing I commonly see on pump.io is people talking music they're listening to from free music services. I like to listen to Jamendo, personally. Many people here are contributors to many different open source projects, all of which have many goals, but one of those goals is to let us choose how we want to use the internet.

I'll repeat this again because it's a crucial point: The fight over Mozilla's DRM-sandbox-thing is one we can win, either through pressure on Mozilla so they change policy or by switching to a different browser. This is a case where the end user has a lot of power, and good for us.

Douglas Perkins at 2014-05-20T00:20:08Z

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Here is the straw man you have made repeatedly.

"You don't have concerns about other forms of media distribution outside the browser."

I don't have a TV. I don't have a set-top box. I don't have satellite TV. Why? Heck, I don't even have a DVD player in my computer! Or Blu-Ray. There's no Nintendo or Sega Genesis here, either. And I haven't purchased a CD in quite some time. iTunes? No, don't have that either. Before buying a computer or phone, I check to see if there are open source drivers available for the hardware. Isn't that good enough, bro? :-)

If it were true that people like me were only concerned with one single situation -- the Mozilla and DRM sandbox situation -- that would be unproductive for the reasons you state. Fortunately, this is not the reality. We are not blind. We have lots of concerns and we address many of them in many different ways over time.

One reason that people use pump.io, of course, is that it's decentralized. We'd like to have more control over our personal communications, so we're here instead of (or in addition to) Twitter or Blogger. Another thing I commonly see on pump.io is people talking music they're listening to from free music services. I like to listen to Jamendo, personally. Many people here are contributors to many different open source projects, all of which have many goals, but one of those goals is to let us choose how we want to use the internet.

I'll repeat this again because it's a crucial point: The fight over Mozilla's DRM-sandbox-thing is one we can win, either through pressure on Mozilla so they change policy or by switching to a different browser. This is a case where the end user has a lot of power, and good for us.

Douglas Perkins at 2014-05-20T00:21:55Z

Douglas, please stop. You're just trolling now.

Nathan Willis at 2014-05-20T13:46:41Z