Christopher Allan Webber

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A few weeks ago, a friend of mine stopped replying to my messages over IM. However, I would occasionally get messages from her, but very rarely. It seems I could reply to those.

Today we met up for lunch, it turns out she thought I was ignoring her, despite me having left a number of messages, and she thought I was upset with her (I wasn't). Neither of us could communicate, and both of us thought that each was upset at the other! What happened?

Well, she's a Google/GTalk user, and apparently she got a message to "upgrade to Google Hangouts", and did. Around that time, federation seems to have broken, and I'm no longer allowed into the party. (I run my own XMPP server.)


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I run my own XMPP server and you might find odd that I don't use it to chat to any humans. Although I do use it to chat with my bot jeeves_mobile who is alive and well, at least in 1s and 0s.

jrobertson at 2014-10-30T23:35:34Z

Google Hangouts are it for chat on the Google silo now? Well, that sucks.

Thankfully old fashioned SMS still works for reaching me...

Stephen Michael Kellat at 2014-10-31T03:21:50Z

>> JanKusanagi:

Have you noticed how it's always the people defending the open/libre/federated systems who end up using the crappy silos, because others refuse to go open/federated? Why don't WE REFUSE, for once?”

Actualy, I don't use the silo, I don't have a G$ account that I use, I refuse it for all the good reason there is... I STILL have my XMPP client open but I just have nearly all my contact list in the "real world" (outside of FLOSS knight friends, which whom I more use mail than IM) that did changed and used gtalk, so practically it's dead for me ... :'/

olm-e at 2014-10-31T06:57:03Z

in a fit off irony, Microsoft complained about the lack of federation when Google did this. as I recall, Google's response was ,make Skype free and we'll make hangouts free.

David "Judah's Shadow" Blue at 2014-10-31T15:51:30Z